[3dem] 3dem Digest, Vol 144, Issue 31
Sara Sandin
SSandin at ntu.edu.sg
Fri Aug 23 03:15:40 PDT 2019
Dear Ben,
I didn't want to start an email chain.
Just highlight the challenges for our students and conference organizers.
Twitter has its limitations and advantages. 3dEM a smaller community, which is good. Overall, as scientists I think it's important to highlight these problems.
Borders are not good for science.
Best wishes from Singapore,
Sara
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Sara Sandin, PhD
NTU Institute of Structural Biology (NISB)
Assistant Professor, School of Biological Sciences (SBS)
Deputy Director, Facility for Analysis Characterisation Testing & Simulation (FACTS)
NTU Singapore
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Sent: 23 August 2019 16:56:19
To: Natesh Ramanathan <natesh at iisertvm.ac.in>
Cc: Angela Kirykowicz <angela.kirykowicz at gmail.com>; Sara Sandin <SSandin at ntu.edu.sg>; 3dem at ncmir.ucsd.edu <3dem at ncmir.ucsd.edu>
Subject: Re: [3dem] 3dem Digest, Vol 144, Issue 31
I was finding this conversation interesting, as conference Visas are an important topic (related-- I often think about how Visa policies make it hard/impossible for scientists born in certain countries to attend Gordon conferences in the USA, and I ponder what we can do about it). But I understand that India-Pakistan is a very sensitive subject right now, and thus let's let this email chain die. We could always start a discussion thread on #twitter ...what could possibly go wrong? ;P
Open world, open science,
Ben :)
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 1:05 AM Natesh Ramanathan <natesh at iisertvm.ac.in<mailto:natesh at iisertvm.ac.in>> wrote:
Dear Angela,
No. We had given the required document clearance for many participants around the world and there were participants from USA, Germany, France, Poland, Spain, Italy, UK who got visa on time and they attended the courses. Also, many speakers all around the world came with the required papers we sent to them. We had given you the same papers. So it is not a problem specific to India. What went wrong in your case should be discussed not in 3dem group, I guess.
Again, the last-minute visa is not specific to India. I and my friends have got a conference/short term visit Visa for many countries in the last minute as you say. I have particularly experienced that with few countries.
I think it is not a good idea to discuss these few issues in the 3dem public group. I think we should discuss only the science here. Sorry I had to reply for other emails as you had raised an issue in a public forum and I had to clarify it. I hope we can discuss only the science here. Any concerns please write to me in person and not to 3dem.
Many thanks.
Best regards,
Natesh
On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 at 13:04, Angela Kirykowicz <angela.kirykowicz at gmail.com<mailto:angela.kirykowicz at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Natesh,
No, it's not just a problem in general, but a problem in India specifically for anyone who wants to attend a conference/workshop. I had the same issue last year: I couldn't even apply for a visa to attend the 3DEM workshop because I was not given the correct "political clearance" certificate by the organisers required by attendees. This lead to me losing money for the plane ticket I had booked, not to mention weeks of frustration as I was ping ponged between the visa application office, frantic emails to the organisers (who insisted that I was given the correct document), and the Indian consulate in South Africa (who promised to look into the issue & never got back to me). Frankly, I have never heard of such a requirement in any country (certainly not a Western one) in order for someone to attend a conference. It also seems to be standard practice for visas to India to be issued at the last minute, leading to considerable stress for anyone who wants to visit. Either the government should get rid of this ridiculous requirement or conference/workshop organisers should seriously reconsider hosting events like these in India.
That's just my two cents.
Angela
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:17 PM Natesh Ramanathan <natesh at iisertvm.ac.in<mailto:natesh at iisertvm.ac.in>> wrote:
Dear Gabor and Sara,
Indeed it is a big problem for scientists not only in India but it happens throughout the world. I have heard similar stories from scientists in India for conference visa application to USA and other countries around the world, ultimately as you said wasting a lot of time and money.
I wish the situation improves for scientists around the world.
I hope a day will come when scientists can go to conferences in other countries without visas ..!! I guess some countries have that already.
Best regards,
Natesh
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 23:40, Gabor Herman <gabortherman at yahoo.com<mailto:gabortherman at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Just a comment about my related experience.
I was invited as a plenary speaker by a conference in Kolkata in 2015.
Although I still do not really understand why I failed to get a visa
since I followed all instructions to the letter, this is my impression:
I applied for a "Conference Visa" and the material provided by
the organizers in Kolkata was incomplete for obtaining
such a visa, at least according to the people at the official visa office of
the Indian Consulate in New York. I was not able to find out what it was that
was missing, either from the consulate people or the organizers in Kolkata.
So I ended up not going. It has cost me a lot of time and money (for touristic
plans prior and after the conference that I already booked, not expecting
any problems). I guess that this is an Indian thing that I do not understand.
Gabor T. Herman, Ph.D.
Professor Emeritus
Ph.D. Computer Science Program
The Graduate Center
City University of New York
Web-Page: http://gabor.ws.gc.cuny.edu/
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A new and improved version of
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SNARK14 (a programming system for the reconstruction of 2D images from 1D projections)
is available for downloading from
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On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 1:41:00 PM EDT, Natesh Ramanathan <natesh at iisertvm.ac.in<mailto:natesh at iisertvm.ac.in>> wrote:
Dear Sara,
Yes "Applicants from all over the world are encouraged to apply". I understand the disappointment and completely agree, but in the end, only the officers at the Embassy have the visa issuing authority and each country has its restrictions. We had put our best efforts from our side with required papers for visa purpose, but ultimately the Embassy officers are the decision-makers.
Hope you understand that it was a situation beyond our control.
Best regards,
Natesh
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 22:40, Sara Sandin <SSandin at ntu.edu.sg<mailto:SSandin at ntu.edu.sg>> wrote:
Despite the
"Applicants from all over the world are encouraged to apply"
I would like to highlight that my graduate student from Pakistan, working in Singapore, did not get a visa to attend the workshop last round.
Disappointing and not good for science. I hope you do better this year,
Sara
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NTU Institute of Structural Biology (NISB)
Assistant Professor, School of Biological Sciences (SBS)
Deputy Director, Facility for Analysis Characterisation Testing & Simulation (FACTS)
NTU Singapore
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*Second Announcement: (Deadline for registration is fast approaching;
Travel grants and Child care grants available)*
*EMBO Practical course Cryo Electron Microscopy and 3 Dimensional Image
Processing (CEM3DIP 2020): **Single particle cryoEM of
macromolecular-assemblies and cellular tomography*
*19-30 January, 2020, at IISER Kolkata, Kolkata, India.*
The *EMBO Practical Course *Cryo Electron Microscopy and 3
Dimensional Image Processing (*CEM3DIP 2020): **Single particle cryoEM of
macromolecular-assemblies and cellular tomography* will be held at
IISER-Kolkata <https://www.iiserkol.ac.in/web/en/> in Kolkata
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkata>, India and IICB-Kolkata
<https://www.iicb.res.in/> (on specimen preparation and data collection
hands-on sessions days). This is an extensive 10 day practical course that
will be held from 19 January ? 30 January 2020 at IISER-Kolkata (with a 1
day break, to chill out on a group excursion to historic and modern places
of Kolkata and dinner-cum river cruise on the Ganges
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooghly_River>).
For Course details and to apply online go to the URL :
http://meetings.embo.org/event/20-cem3dip
Important dates :
*Registration Deadline : 15 September 2019*
The course will focus on structural biology using Transmission
Electron Microscopy and aims to teach the participants the basic principles
and practical aspects of specimen preparation, data collection, Image
processing and 3D reconstruction in Single Particle Cryo Electron
Microscopy(SPCryoEM) and Cellular Tomography. This is a hands-on course,
in which theory and practicals are tightly intertwined. There will be
practical session to teach sample preparation for Single particle ?ve stain
and cryoEM and data collection. Subset of participants will be encouraged
to bring their samples. The topics covered will suit both the new entrants
to the field as well as those who wants to acquire an in-depth
understanding of the fundamental principles and practical aspects.
Applications are invited from PhD students, Post Docs and Researchers
(Faculties/PI?s and protein crystallographers) who wish to acquire
knowledge in SPCryoEM and Cellular Tomography. Applicants from all over
the world are encouraged to apply. For more information please contact the
course coordinator at *cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in<mailto:cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in>
<cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in<mailto:cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in>>*.
*The basic format of the course* will be theoretical lectures
in the mornings followed by hands on practical session on specimen
preparation, data collection and image processing on computer workstations
in the afternoon. Evenings will be reserved for poster presentations by
the participants and research talks by the participants/instructors.
*The instructors/speakers for the course will include:*
Joachim Frank (Columbia University), Grant Jensen (Caltech), Garib N
Murshudov (MRC-LMB), Jos? Mar?a Carazo (CNB-CSIC), Elena Orlova (Birkbeck
College), Elizabeth Wright (University of Wisconsin), Kelly Lee (University
of Washington), Rajendra K Agrawal (Wadsworth Centre), Giulia Zanetti
(Birkbeck College), Montserrat Sams? (VCU), Ana Casa?al (MRC-LMB), Arjen
Jakobi (Kavli Institute), Brent L. Nannenga (Arizona State University),
Carlos Oscar S Sorzano (CNB-CSIC), Dmitry Lyumkis (Salk Instiute), Osman
Salih (EMBL-EBI), Florence Tama (Nagoya University), Jayati Sengupta
(CSIR-IICB), Manidipa Banerjee (IIT Delhi), Moumita Dutta (ICMR-NICED),
Partha Pratim Datta (IISER Kolkota), Ramanathan Natesh (IISER
Thiruvananthapuram), Smarajit Polley (Bose Institute), Somnath Dutta (IISc).
For more details and to apply for this course kindly visit the course
website *http://meetings.embo.org/event/20-cem3dip
<http://meetings.embo.org/event/20-cem3dip>**. *
The selection will be based on applicants CV, current research project,
relevant skills, future plans and most importantly the quality of the
submitted poster abstract. Applicants should include in the section ?Details
of Current research Project and Statement of Purpose? an explanation of why
attendance at the course would further the applicant's own research. Having
some preliminary data or exposure to electron microscopy /cryoEM/
tomography will be preferred. PhD and Postdoctoral applicants should
request their supervisor to send a recommendation letter, before the
application deadline, by e-mail directly to the organizer at
cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in<mailto:cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in>. Only selected people from the applicants will
be contacted. Based on the availability of funds, travel and/or
registration, accommodation bursaries for a subset of selected applicants
can be provided. If you want to request for registration and/or
accommodation bursaries, mention that explicitly in the space for
?Justification
for Travel Grant? and justify your request. Child care grants are
available to enable scientists with families to attend this event. Eligible
costs include fees for a caregiver or child-care facility, travel costs for
a caregiver, or travel costs for taking the child to the meeting etc. If
you want to request for a child care grant to help you attend this EMBO
practical course, mention "Yes" in your application under this heading. All
registered participants have to present posters on their research work. A
selection of participants will be invited to give an oral presentation of
their ongoing research work.
We shall truly appreciate if this e-mail print out can be displayed at your
Institute notice board and circulated among your friends, scholars and
students encouraging them to apply for this course.
Sincerely yours,
Ramanathan Natesh, Partha Pratim Datta, Jayati Sengupta, Smarajit Polley
and Moumita Dutta,
Course Coordinators EMBO practical course CEM3DIP 2020.
Phone: *+91-471-2778087*
Please write to *cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in<mailto:cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in> <cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in<mailto:cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in>>* for
any queries/sponsorship regarding this course.
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