[3dem] 3dem Digest, Vol 144, Issue 31
Ben Engel
engelben at biochem.mpg.de
Fri Aug 23 01:56:19 PDT 2019
I was finding this conversation interesting, as conference Visas are an
important topic (related-- I often think about how Visa policies make it
hard/impossible for scientists born in certain countries to attend Gordon
conferences in the USA, and I ponder what we can do about it). But I
understand that India-Pakistan is a very sensitive subject right now, and
thus let's let this email chain die. We could always start a discussion
thread on #twitter ...what could possibly go wrong? ;P
Open world, open science,
Ben :)
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 1:05 AM Natesh Ramanathan <natesh at iisertvm.ac.in>
wrote:
> Dear Angela,
>
> No. We had given the required document clearance for many
> participants around the world and there were participants from USA,
> Germany, France, Poland, Spain, Italy, UK who got visa on time and they
> attended the courses. Also, many speakers all around the world came
> with the required papers we sent to them. We had given you the same
> papers. So it is not a problem specific to India. What went wrong in
> your case should be discussed not in 3dem group, I guess.
>
> Again, the last-minute visa is not specific to India. I and my
> friends have got a conference/short term visit Visa for many countries in
> the last minute as you say. I have particularly experienced that with few
> countries.
>
> I think it is not a good idea to discuss these few issues in the
> 3dem public group. I think we should discuss only the science here. Sorry
> I had to reply for other emails as you had raised an issue in a public
> forum and I had to clarify it. I hope we can discuss only the science
> here. Any concerns please write to me in person and not to 3dem.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Best regards,
> Natesh
>
> On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 at 13:04, Angela Kirykowicz <
> angela.kirykowicz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Natesh,
>>
>> No, it's not just a problem in general, but a problem in India
>> specifically for anyone who wants to attend a conference/workshop. I had
>> the same issue last year: I couldn't even apply for a visa to attend the
>> 3DEM workshop because I was not given the correct "political clearance"
>> certificate by the organisers required by attendees. This lead to me losing
>> money for the plane ticket I had booked, not to mention weeks of
>> frustration as I was ping ponged between the visa application office,
>> frantic emails to the organisers (who insisted that I was given the correct
>> document), and the Indian consulate in South Africa (who promised to look
>> into the issue & never got back to me). Frankly, I have never heard of such
>> a requirement in any country (certainly not a Western one) in order for
>> someone to attend a conference. It also seems to be standard practice for
>> visas to India to be issued at the last minute, leading to considerable
>> stress for anyone who wants to visit. Either the government should get rid
>> of this ridiculous requirement or conference/workshop organisers should
>> seriously reconsider hosting events like these in India.
>>
>>
>> That's just my two cents.
>>
>> Angela
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:17 PM Natesh Ramanathan <natesh at iisertvm.ac.in>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Gabor and Sara,
>>>
>>> Indeed it is a big problem for scientists not only in India
>>> but it happens throughout the world. I have heard similar stories from
>>> scientists in India for conference visa application to USA and other
>>> countries around the world, ultimately as you said wasting a lot of time
>>> and money.
>>>
>>> I wish the situation improves for scientists around the world.
>>>
>>> I hope a day will come when scientists can go to conferences
>>> in other countries without visas ..!! I guess some countries have that
>>> already.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Natesh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 23:40, Gabor Herman <gabortherman at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just a comment about my related experience.
>>>> I was invited as a plenary speaker by a conference in Kolkata in 2015.
>>>> Although I still do not really understand why I failed to get a visa
>>>> since I followed all instructions to the letter, this is my impression:
>>>> I applied for a "Conference Visa" and the material provided by
>>>> the organizers in Kolkata was incomplete for obtaining
>>>> such a visa, at least according to the people at the official visa
>>>> office of
>>>> the Indian Consulate in New York. I was not able to find out what it
>>>> was that
>>>> was missing, either from the consulate people or the organizers in
>>>> Kolkata.
>>>> So I ended up not going. It has cost me a lot of time and money (for
>>>> touristic
>>>> plans prior and after the conference that I already booked, not
>>>> expecting
>>>> any problems). I guess that this is an Indian thing that I do not
>>>> understand.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gabor T. Herman, Ph.D.
>>>> Professor Emeritus
>>>> Ph.D. Computer Science Program
>>>> The Graduate Center
>>>> City University of New York
>>>> Web-Page: http://gabor.ws.gc.cuny.edu/
>>>> .
>>>> ==========================================
>>>> .
>>>> A new and improved version of
>>>> .
>>>> SNARK14 (a programming system for the reconstruction of 2D images from
>>>> 1D projections)
>>>> is available for downloading from
>>>> http://turing.iimas.unam.mx/SNARK14M
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 1:41:00 PM EDT, Natesh Ramanathan <
>>>> natesh at iisertvm.ac.in> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Sara,
>>>> Yes "Applicants from all over the world are encouraged to
>>>> apply". I understand the disappointment and completely agree, but in the
>>>> end, only the officers at the Embassy have the visa issuing authority and
>>>> each country has its restrictions. We had put our best efforts from our
>>>> side with required papers for visa purpose, but ultimately the Embassy
>>>> officers are the decision-makers.
>>>> Hope you understand that it was a situation beyond our
>>>> control.
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Natesh
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 22:40, Sara Sandin <SSandin at ntu.edu.sg> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Despite the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Applicants from all over the world are encouraged to apply"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to highlight that my graduate student from Pakistan,
>>>> working in Singapore, did not get a visa to attend the workshop last round.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Disappointing and not good for science. I hope you do better this year,
>>>>
>>>> Sara
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>> Sara Sandin, PhD
>>>> NTU Institute of Structural Biology (NISB)
>>>> Assistant Professor, School of Biological Sciences (SBS)
>>>> Deputy Director, Facility for Analysis Characterisation Testing &
>>>> Simulation (FACTS)
>>>> NTU Singapore
>>>> WEB http://sarasandinlab.com
>>>> <https://webmail.ntu.edu.sg/owa/redir.aspx?C=NowMSA1uEU28_-tbNZ04OFa6tI6xfNUIBfsPqR4p_Q-eM0bDbGMdyiaZIscRauGtU1W3TiKFiEk.&URL=http%3a%2f%2fsarasandinlab.com>
>>>> NISB http://nisb.ntu.edu.sg
>>>> <https://webmail.ntu.edu.sg/owa/redir.aspx?C=NowMSA1uEU28_-tbNZ04OFa6tI6xfNUIBfsPqR4p_Q-eM0bDbGMdyiaZIscRauGtU1W3TiKFiEk.&URL=http%3a%2f%2fnisb.ntu.edu.sg%2fPages%2fHome.aspx>
>>>> FACTS http://research.ntu.edu.sg/facts
>>>> <https://webmail.ntu.edu.sg/owa/redir.aspx?C=NowMSA1uEU28_-tbNZ04OFa6tI6xfNUIBfsPqR4p_Q-eM0bDbGMdyiaZIscRauGtU1W3TiKFiEk.&URL=http%3a%2f%2fresearch.ntu.edu.sg%2ffacts>
>>>> SBS http://www.sbs.ntu.edu.sg
>>>> <https://webmail.ntu.edu.sg/owa/redir.aspx?C=NowMSA1uEU28_-tbNZ04OFa6tI6xfNUIBfsPqR4p_Q-eM0bDbGMdyiaZIscRauGtU1W3TiKFiEk.&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sbs.ntu.edu.sg%2fPages%2fHome.aspx>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> 1. EMBO Practical Course CEM3DIP 2020: Single particle cryoEM of
>>>> macromolecular-assemblies and cellular tomography (Natesh
>>>> Ramanathan)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 22:04:39 +0530
>>>> From: Natesh Ramanathan <natesh at iisertvm.ac.in>
>>>> To: 3dem at ncmir.ucsd.edu
>>>> Subject: [3dem] EMBO Practical Course CEM3DIP 2020: Single particle
>>>> cryoEM of macromolecular-assemblies and cellular tomography
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>>>> *Second Announcement: (Deadline for registration is fast approaching;
>>>> Travel grants and Child care grants available)*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *EMBO Practical course Cryo Electron Microscopy and 3 Dimensional Image
>>>> Processing (CEM3DIP 2020): **Single particle cryoEM of
>>>> macromolecular-assemblies and cellular tomography*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *19-30 January, 2020, at IISER Kolkata, Kolkata, India.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The *EMBO Practical Course *Cryo Electron Microscopy and 3
>>>> Dimensional Image Processing (*CEM3DIP 2020): **Single particle cryoEM
>>>> of
>>>> macromolecular-assemblies and cellular tomography* will be held at
>>>> IISER-Kolkata <https://www.iiserkol.ac.in/web/en/> in Kolkata
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkata>, India and IICB-Kolkata
>>>> <https://www.iicb.res.in/> (on specimen preparation and data collection
>>>> hands-on sessions days). This is an extensive 10 day practical course
>>>> that
>>>> will be held from 19 January ? 30 January 2020 at IISER-Kolkata (with
>>>> a 1
>>>> day break, to chill out on a group excursion to historic and modern
>>>> places
>>>> of Kolkata and dinner-cum river cruise on the Ganges
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooghly_River>).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For Course details and to apply online go to the URL :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://meetings.embo.org/event/20-cem3dip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Important dates :
>>>>
>>>> *Registration Deadline : 15 September 2019*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The course will focus on structural biology using
>>>> Transmission
>>>> Electron Microscopy and aims to teach the participants the basic
>>>> principles
>>>> and practical aspects of specimen preparation, data collection, Image
>>>> processing and 3D reconstruction in Single Particle Cryo Electron
>>>> Microscopy(SPCryoEM) and Cellular Tomography. This is a hands-on
>>>> course,
>>>> in which theory and practicals are tightly intertwined. There will be
>>>> practical session to teach sample preparation for Single particle ?ve
>>>> stain
>>>> and cryoEM and data collection. Subset of participants will be
>>>> encouraged
>>>> to bring their samples. The topics covered will suit both the new
>>>> entrants
>>>> to the field as well as those who wants to acquire an in-depth
>>>> understanding of the fundamental principles and practical aspects.
>>>> Applications are invited from PhD students, Post Docs and Researchers
>>>> (Faculties/PI?s and protein crystallographers) who wish to acquire
>>>> knowledge in SPCryoEM and Cellular Tomography. Applicants from all over
>>>> the world are encouraged to apply. For more information please contact
>>>> the
>>>> course coordinator at *cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in
>>>> <cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in>*.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *The basic format of the course* will be theoretical
>>>> lectures
>>>> in the mornings followed by hands on practical session on specimen
>>>> preparation, data collection and image processing on computer
>>>> workstations
>>>> in the afternoon. Evenings will be reserved for poster presentations by
>>>> the participants and research talks by the participants/instructors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *The instructors/speakers for the course will include:*
>>>>
>>>> Joachim Frank (Columbia University), Grant Jensen (Caltech), Garib N
>>>> Murshudov (MRC-LMB), Jos? Mar?a Carazo (CNB-CSIC), Elena Orlova
>>>> (Birkbeck
>>>> College), Elizabeth Wright (University of Wisconsin), Kelly Lee
>>>> (University
>>>> of Washington), Rajendra K Agrawal (Wadsworth Centre), Giulia Zanetti
>>>> (Birkbeck College), Montserrat Sams? (VCU), Ana Casa?al (MRC-LMB), Arjen
>>>> Jakobi (Kavli Institute), Brent L. Nannenga (Arizona State University),
>>>> Carlos Oscar S Sorzano (CNB-CSIC), Dmitry Lyumkis (Salk Instiute), Osman
>>>> Salih (EMBL-EBI), Florence Tama (Nagoya University), Jayati Sengupta
>>>> (CSIR-IICB), Manidipa Banerjee (IIT Delhi), Moumita Dutta (ICMR-NICED),
>>>> Partha Pratim Datta (IISER Kolkota), Ramanathan Natesh (IISER
>>>> Thiruvananthapuram), Smarajit Polley (Bose Institute), Somnath Dutta
>>>> (IISc).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For more details and to apply for this course kindly visit the course
>>>> website *http://meetings.embo.org/event/20-cem3dip
>>>> <http://meetings.embo.org/event/20-cem3dip>**. *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The selection will be based on applicants CV, current research project,
>>>> relevant skills, future plans and most importantly the quality of the
>>>> submitted poster abstract. Applicants should include in the section
>>>> ?Details
>>>> of Current research Project and Statement of Purpose? an explanation of
>>>> why
>>>> attendance at the course would further the applicant's own research.
>>>> Having
>>>> some preliminary data or exposure to electron microscopy /cryoEM/
>>>> tomography will be preferred. PhD and Postdoctoral applicants should
>>>> request their supervisor to send a recommendation letter, before the
>>>> application deadline, by e-mail directly to the organizer at
>>>> cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in. Only selected people from the applicants
>>>> will
>>>> be contacted. Based on the availability of funds, travel and/or
>>>> registration, accommodation bursaries for a subset of selected
>>>> applicants
>>>> can be provided. If you want to request for registration and/or
>>>> accommodation bursaries, mention that explicitly in the space for
>>>> ?Justification
>>>> for Travel Grant? and justify your request. Child care grants are
>>>> available to enable scientists with families to attend this event.
>>>> Eligible
>>>> costs include fees for a caregiver or child-care facility, travel costs
>>>> for
>>>> a caregiver, or travel costs for taking the child to the meeting etc.
>>>> If
>>>> you want to request for a child care grant to help you attend this EMBO
>>>> practical course, mention "Yes" in your application under this
>>>> heading. All
>>>> registered participants have to present posters on their research
>>>> work. A
>>>> selection of participants will be invited to give an oral presentation
>>>> of
>>>> their ongoing research work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We shall truly appreciate if this e-mail print out can be displayed at
>>>> your
>>>> Institute notice board and circulated among your friends, scholars and
>>>> students encouraging them to apply for this course.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely yours,
>>>>
>>>> Ramanathan Natesh, Partha Pratim Datta, Jayati Sengupta, Smarajit Polley
>>>> and Moumita Dutta,
>>>>
>>>> Course Coordinators EMBO practical course CEM3DIP 2020.
>>>>
>>>> Phone: *+91-471-2778087*
>>>>
>>>> Please write to *cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in <cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in>*
>>>> for
>>>> any queries/sponsorship regarding this course.
>>>>
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>>>> "In Science truth always wins"
>>>> - Max Ferdinand Perutz OM FRS
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Dr. Ramanathan Natesh
>>>> Assistant Professor,
>>>> School of Biology,
>>>> Indian Institute of Science Education and Research Thiruvananthapuram
>>>> (IISER-TVM),
>>>> Maruthamala P.O., Vithura,
>>>> Thiruvananthapuram, 695551, Kerala, India
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>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>>> Assistant Professor,
>>> School of Biology,
>>> Indian Institute of Science Education and Research Thiruvananthapuram
>>> (IISER-TVM),
>>> Maruthamala P.O., Vithura,
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