[3dem] 3dem Digest, Vol 144, Issue 31
Ben Engel
engelben at biochem.mpg.de
Fri Aug 23 06:51:25 PDT 2019
Hi Sara,
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I say thank you for highlighting
this issue. I think that open conversation of issues that face our
community is very important. And I think that the 3DEM mailing list is
indeed a good place to bring such issues to the attention of the community.
Best,
Ben
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 3:16 AM Sara Sandin <SSandin at ntu.edu.sg> wrote:
> Dear Ben,
>
> I didn’t want to start an email chain.
>
> Just highlight the challenges for our students and conference organizers.
>
> Twitter has its limitations and advantages. 3dEM a smaller community,
> which is good. Overall, as scientists I think it’s important to highlight
> these problems.
>
> Borders are not good for science.
>
> Best wishes from Singapore,
> Sara
>
> ----
> Sara Sandin, PhD
> NTU Institute of Structural Biology (NISB)
> Assistant Professor, School of Biological Sciences (SBS)
> Deputy Director, Facility for Analysis Characterisation Testing &
> Simulation (FACTS)
> NTU Singapore
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Ben Engel <engelben at biochem.mpg.de>
> *Sent:* 23 August 2019 16:56:19
> *To:* Natesh Ramanathan <natesh at iisertvm.ac.in>
> *Cc:* Angela Kirykowicz <angela.kirykowicz at gmail.com>; Sara Sandin <
> SSandin at ntu.edu.sg>; 3dem at ncmir.ucsd.edu <3dem at ncmir.ucsd.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [3dem] 3dem Digest, Vol 144, Issue 31
>
> I was finding this conversation interesting, as conference Visas are an
> important topic (related-- I often think about how Visa policies make it
> hard/impossible for scientists born in certain countries to attend Gordon
> conferences in the USA, and I ponder what we can do about it). But I
> understand that India-Pakistan is a very sensitive subject right now, and
> thus let's let this email chain die. We could always start a discussion
> thread on #twitter ...what could possibly go wrong? ;P
>
> Open world, open science,
> Ben :)
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 1:05 AM Natesh Ramanathan <natesh at iisertvm.ac.in>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Angela,
>
> No. We had given the required document clearance for many
> participants around the world and there were participants from USA,
> Germany, France, Poland, Spain, Italy, UK who got visa on time and they
> attended the courses. Also, many speakers all around the world came
> with the required papers we sent to them. We had given you the same
> papers. So it is not a problem specific to India. What went wrong in
> your case should be discussed not in 3dem group, I guess.
>
> Again, the last-minute visa is not specific to India. I and my
> friends have got a conference/short term visit Visa for many countries in
> the last minute as you say. I have particularly experienced that with few
> countries.
>
> I think it is not a good idea to discuss these few issues in the
> 3dem public group. I think we should discuss only the science here. Sorry
> I had to reply for other emails as you had raised an issue in a public
> forum and I had to clarify it. I hope we can discuss only the science
> here. Any concerns please write to me in person and not to 3dem.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Best regards,
> Natesh
>
> On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 at 13:04, Angela Kirykowicz <
> angela.kirykowicz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Natesh,
>
> No, it's not just a problem in general, but a problem in India
> specifically for anyone who wants to attend a conference/workshop. I had
> the same issue last year: I couldn't even apply for a visa to attend the
> 3DEM workshop because I was not given the correct "political clearance"
> certificate by the organisers required by attendees. This lead to me losing
> money for the plane ticket I had booked, not to mention weeks of
> frustration as I was ping ponged between the visa application office,
> frantic emails to the organisers (who insisted that I was given the correct
> document), and the Indian consulate in South Africa (who promised to look
> into the issue & never got back to me). Frankly, I have never heard of such
> a requirement in any country (certainly not a Western one) in order for
> someone to attend a conference. It also seems to be standard practice for
> visas to India to be issued at the last minute, leading to considerable
> stress for anyone who wants to visit. Either the government should get rid
> of this ridiculous requirement or conference/workshop organisers should
> seriously reconsider hosting events like these in India.
>
>
> That's just my two cents.
>
> Angela
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:17 PM Natesh Ramanathan <natesh at iisertvm.ac.in>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Gabor and Sara,
>
> Indeed it is a big problem for scientists not only in India
> but it happens throughout the world. I have heard similar stories from
> scientists in India for conference visa application to USA and other
> countries around the world, ultimately as you said wasting a lot of time
> and money.
>
> I wish the situation improves for scientists around the world.
>
> I hope a day will come when scientists can go to conferences in
> other countries without visas ..!! I guess some countries have that
> already.
>
> Best regards,
> Natesh
>
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 23:40, Gabor Herman <gabortherman at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Just a comment about my related experience.
> I was invited as a plenary speaker by a conference in Kolkata in 2015.
> Although I still do not really understand why I failed to get a visa
> since I followed all instructions to the letter, this is my impression:
> I applied for a "Conference Visa" and the material provided by
> the organizers in Kolkata was incomplete for obtaining
> such a visa, at least according to the people at the official visa office
> of
> the Indian Consulate in New York. I was not able to find out what it was
> that
> was missing, either from the consulate people or the organizers in Kolkata.
> So I ended up not going. It has cost me a lot of time and money (for
> touristic
> plans prior and after the conference that I already booked, not expecting
> any problems). I guess that this is an Indian thing that I do not
> understand.
>
>
> Gabor T. Herman, Ph.D.
> Professor Emeritus
> Ph.D. Computer Science Program
> The Graduate Center
> City University of New York
> Web-Page: http://gabor.ws.gc.cuny.edu/
> .
> ==========================================
> .
> A new and improved version of
> .
> SNARK14 (a programming system for the reconstruction of 2D images from 1D
> projections)
> is available for downloading from
> http://turing.iimas.unam.mx/SNARK14M
> .
>
>
> On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 1:41:00 PM EDT, Natesh Ramanathan <
> natesh at iisertvm.ac.in> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Sara,
> Yes "Applicants from all over the world are encouraged to
> apply". I understand the disappointment and completely agree, but in the
> end, only the officers at the Embassy have the visa issuing authority and
> each country has its restrictions. We had put our best efforts from our
> side with required papers for visa purpose, but ultimately the Embassy
> officers are the decision-makers.
> Hope you understand that it was a situation beyond our control.
> Best regards,
> Natesh
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 22:40, Sara Sandin <SSandin at ntu.edu.sg> wrote:
>
> Despite the
>
>
> "Applicants from all over the world are encouraged to apply"
>
>
> I would like to highlight that my graduate student from Pakistan, working
> in Singapore, did not get a visa to attend the workshop last round.
>
>
> Disappointing and not good for science. I hope you do better this year,
>
> Sara
>
> ----
> Sara Sandin, PhD
> NTU Institute of Structural Biology (NISB)
> Assistant Professor, School of Biological Sciences (SBS)
> Deputy Director, Facility for Analysis Characterisation Testing &
> Simulation (FACTS)
> NTU Singapore
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> Subject: [3dem] EMBO Practical Course CEM3DIP 2020: Single particle
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> *Second Announcement: (Deadline for registration is fast approaching;
> Travel grants and Child care grants available)*
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>
> *EMBO Practical course Cryo Electron Microscopy and 3 Dimensional Image
> Processing (CEM3DIP 2020): **Single particle cryoEM of
> macromolecular-assemblies and cellular tomography*
>
>
>
> *19-30 January, 2020, at IISER Kolkata, Kolkata, India.*
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> The *EMBO Practical Course *Cryo Electron Microscopy and 3
> Dimensional Image Processing (*CEM3DIP 2020): **Single particle cryoEM of
> macromolecular-assemblies and cellular tomography* will be held at
> IISER-Kolkata <https://www.iiserkol.ac.in/web/en/> in Kolkata
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkata>, India and IICB-Kolkata
> <https://www.iicb.res.in/> (on specimen preparation and data collection
> hands-on sessions days). This is an extensive 10 day practical course that
> will be held from 19 January ? 30 January 2020 at IISER-Kolkata (with a 1
> day break, to chill out on a group excursion to historic and modern places
> of Kolkata and dinner-cum river cruise on the Ganges
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>
>
>
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> For Course details and to apply online go to the URL :
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>
> http://meetings.embo.org/event/20-cem3dip
>
>
>
> Important dates :
>
> *Registration Deadline : 15 September 2019*
>
>
>
> The course will focus on structural biology using Transmission
> Electron Microscopy and aims to teach the participants the basic principles
> and practical aspects of specimen preparation, data collection, Image
> processing and 3D reconstruction in Single Particle Cryo Electron
> Microscopy(SPCryoEM) and Cellular Tomography. This is a hands-on course,
> in which theory and practicals are tightly intertwined. There will be
> practical session to teach sample preparation for Single particle ?ve stain
> and cryoEM and data collection. Subset of participants will be encouraged
> to bring their samples. The topics covered will suit both the new entrants
> to the field as well as those who wants to acquire an in-depth
> understanding of the fundamental principles and practical aspects.
> Applications are invited from PhD students, Post Docs and Researchers
> (Faculties/PI?s and protein crystallographers) who wish to acquire
> knowledge in SPCryoEM and Cellular Tomography. Applicants from all over
> the world are encouraged to apply. For more information please contact the
> course coordinator at *cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in
> <cem3dip2020 at iisertvm.ac.in>*.
>
>
>
> *The basic format of the course* will be theoretical lectures
> in the mornings followed by hands on practical session on specimen
> preparation, data collection and image processing on computer workstations
> in the afternoon. Evenings will be reserved for poster presentations by
> the participants and research talks by the participants/instructors.
>
>
>
> *The instructors/speakers for the course will include:*
>
> Joachim Frank (Columbia University), Grant Jensen (Caltech), Garib N
> Murshudov (MRC-LMB), Jos? Mar?a Carazo (CNB-CSIC), Elena Orlova (Birkbeck
> College), Elizabeth Wright (University of Wisconsin), Kelly Lee (University
> of Washington), Rajendra K Agrawal (Wadsworth Centre), Giulia Zanetti
> (Birkbeck College), Montserrat Sams? (VCU), Ana Casa?al (MRC-LMB), Arjen
> Jakobi (Kavli Institute), Brent L. Nannenga (Arizona State University),
> Carlos Oscar S Sorzano (CNB-CSIC), Dmitry Lyumkis (Salk Instiute), Osman
> Salih (EMBL-EBI), Florence Tama (Nagoya University), Jayati Sengupta
> (CSIR-IICB), Manidipa Banerjee (IIT Delhi), Moumita Dutta (ICMR-NICED),
> Partha Pratim Datta (IISER Kolkota), Ramanathan Natesh (IISER
> Thiruvananthapuram), Smarajit Polley (Bose Institute), Somnath Dutta
> (IISc).
>
>
>
> For more details and to apply for this course kindly visit the course
> website *http://meetings.embo.org/event/20-cem3dip
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>
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> The selection will be based on applicants CV, current research project,
> relevant skills, future plans and most importantly the quality of the
> submitted poster abstract. Applicants should include in the section
> ?Details
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> attendance at the course would further the applicant's own research.
> Having
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> tomography will be preferred. PhD and Postdoctoral applicants should
> request their supervisor to send a recommendation letter, before the
> application deadline, by e-mail directly to the organizer at
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> be contacted. Based on the availability of funds, travel and/or
> registration, accommodation bursaries for a subset of selected applicants
> can be provided. If you want to request for registration and/or
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> costs include fees for a caregiver or child-care facility, travel costs for
> a caregiver, or travel costs for taking the child to the meeting etc. If
> you want to request for a child care grant to help you attend this EMBO
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> All
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> selection of participants will be invited to give an oral presentation of
> their ongoing research work.
>
>
>
> We shall truly appreciate if this e-mail print out can be displayed at your
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> students encouraging them to apply for this course.
>
>
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Ramanathan Natesh, Partha Pratim Datta, Jayati Sengupta, Smarajit Polley
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>
> Course Coordinators EMBO practical course CEM3DIP 2020.
>
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>
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