[3dem] Help! Plastic films on my holey grids are KILLING ME

Tue Jul 2 10:12:54 PDT 2019

Several years ago we had a similar problem, suddenly our usual samples, 
imaged under the same conditions were bubbling at what used to be the 
normal dose. After a while I complained and Quantifoil told me they 
changed something in the cleaning procedure, probably changed or 
reverted procedure and after that the new grids were fine again. Perhaps 
that's the same problem that James referred to as being solved quite a 
while back. I also recommend contacting the manufacturer or the supplier.

Good luck,
Vladan

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On 7/2/19 6:11 PM, Schwartz, Cindi (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote:
>
> James,
>
> Thanks for that insight. We do end up with some direct from quanitfoil 
> and some from the US supplier (EMS in our case). But, we are having 
> issues with both. Right now, I tried a pretty extensive cleaning (sent 
> to me yesterday) protocol on these quantifoil supplied grids and I 
> have films after negative staining apoferritin. It's been a 
> disappointing morning looking at these grids. I will definitely send 
> these back to quantifoil and at least we know that quantifoil says we 
> can't remove the films once they've been shipped so we should quit 
> trying. The worst part is that each grid is different, so in our hands 
> checking randomly 5 out of 25 isn't enough. The two grids illustrated 
> here are from the same side of the same grid box chosen at random 
> after cleaning. That's why I wanted to bake on colloidal gold 
> fiducials on every grid so I could see if there was gold in the holes, 
> but alas, the colloidal gold doesn't seem to want to stick to this 
> plastic. I will also try this with different kids of gold (maybe 
> FAB-secondary anti-body gold will stick to this plastic).
>
> Here's the protocol I used from Dewight Williams and Mariena 
> Sylvestry-Ramos from when they were in Phoebe Stewart's lab:
>
> The key to dissolving the plastic on quantifoils is to make the 
> plastic flow away from the grid surface. When you dissolve it and it 
> does not migrate away it just reabsorbs back on to the grid support 
> surfaces. To get this to happen you need to set up a thin layer 
> chromatography system, where you have a mobile phase of solvent moving 
> up a filter paper. We have used dichloraethane as the solvent in 
> combination with ethyl acetate. Pre-equilibrate a glass petri dish 
> with a saturated ethyl acetate soaked set of Whatman filter papers 
> with half a box of quantifoid grids, carbon side up (plastic layer 
> down at a slight incline (we used the grid box to prop up one end.  We 
> also added a sharpie or other permanent ink spot to the filter paper 
> before starting to confirm we had a mobile phase which would make the 
> dye migrate (I saw the dye migrate both times). Add to the bottom of 
> the slightly inclined petri dish a few mls of dichloroethane. Place 
> the lid on so the vapor will leave at the top of the inclined petri 
> dish (30 min). We then washed the grids in chloroform (15 min) and 
> acetone (15 min) the same way. In the old days, we did this twice (I 
> switched to a fresh clean glass petri dish and fresh filter paper and 
> repeated). Then baked in a 60 C oven O/N. This morning I 
> glow-discharged and then negative stained apoferritin with Nano-Van.
>
> Attached are the results. Disappointing to say the least.
>
> Looks like I keep plugging away at it. Thanks everyone for your ideas. 
> BTW, other ideas I got were to plasma clean the grids more, but I’m 
> kind of scared to try this as I don’t want to etch away all the carbon 
> too!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cindi L. Schwartz
>
> Electron Microscopist
>
> Rocky Mountain Labs/NIAID/NIH
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Conway, James Frederick <James.Conway at pitt.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 8:26 AM
> To: 3dem at ncmir.ucsd.edu
> Cc: Schwartz, Cindi (NIH/NIAID) [E] <cindi.schwartz at nih.gov>
> Subject: Re: [3dem] Help! Plastic films on my holey grids are KILLING ME
>
> It was my understanding that Quantifoil solved this problem quite a 
> while back, but nonetheless we kept receiving plastic-contaminated 
> grids from one US supplier for some time after. When I contacted 
> Quantifoil, they said that removing the plastic after the factory was 
> near impossible, and when I told them the serial number of the grid 
> boxes, they disavowed knowledge of them. My dark suspicion is that 
> sending them back to the supplier just put them in the pipeline for 
> someone else to receive, but that would be rank speculation. However, 
> buying directly from Quantifoil has resulted in near perfect grids for 
> over 5 years now. I suggest sending the bad batches of grids back for 
> a refund, and if you are not already dealing directly with Quantifoil, 
> try doing so or with a factory-recommended local supplier. If these 
> grids are from Quantifoil, then certainly complain, send them back - 
> it shouldn't be your time and money to fix up the grids. In my 
> experience C-flats behave differently and (in my hands) 
> inconsistently, but I understand there was a period of manufacturing 
> issues that are now resolved and I look forward to trying them again.
>
> James Conway
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