[3dem] Liposomes in ice (Reza Khayat) -Key is longer grid adsorption times!

Fri May 12 12:39:30 PDT 2017

Dear Reza,

a quick indication with having a good concentration of liposomes for making cryo grids with a reasonable dispersion is to have a solution that looks pretty milky. As white as milk is good! Adsorb undiluted. If not try to get the concentration up. Best results work with liposomes of 100nm or less. Ideally they should be in water or low salt buffer. Avoid buffers with any additives as much as possible. No ethanol for example.
My feeling is the liposomes sit nicely dispersed in the buffer drop when you add it to a glow discharged grid, and float there like balloons and do not settle as easily as say single particle protein type samples. The key is to adsorb for much longer times than "usual". I usually use 5 minutes adsorbing on-grid in tweezers on a bench and not in the cryo-plunger chamber.  If you still have problems or cannot increase the sample concentration you can adsorb for an hour or more or even overnight as long as you keep the grid "wet". This is easily done by using a large petri dish that you can "humidify" by wetting several pieces of round filter paper in the bottom with water and add a lid. Place your grid with sample in there for the desired time (also sometimes helps for low concentrations of protein samples, filaments or planar crystals). Then take it out and cryo-plunge. Being able to plunge from the backside (opposite the side you adsorbed on) can also up the concentration sometimes by pulling the liposomes down onto the surface and sometimes producing a filter effect to get more in holes. They may tend to stick and pull off on the filter paper if you blot from the sample adsorbed side. 
Holey films will result in more sample in holes as there is less background carbon (same goes for proteins!) for them to stick to. Even in low magnification, you should see the liposome spheres if you defocus a lot which helps you pinpoint them.

Best of luck

Ken

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   1. Re: Liposomes in ice (Terje Dokland)

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From: Terje Dokland <dokland at uab.edu>
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Maybe you didn't get that many liposomes in the first place? We have had similar problems with extruded liposomes. It seemed that a lot of the lipid did not form liposomes at all, but remained in micellar form, contaminating the background.

On May 12, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Reza Khayat wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We are preparing extruded liposomes (200nm). Problem is we're getting very few liposomes in ice. The starting lipid concentration (DOPG:https://avantilipids.com/product/840475/) is 4mg/ml.
>
> Reza
>
> Reza Khayat, PhD
> Assistant Professor
> City College of New York
> Department of Chemistry
> New York, NY 10031
> From: Ludtke, Steven J <sludtke at bcm.edu>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:27 AM
> To: Reza Khayat
> Subject: Re: [3dem] Liposomes in ice
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> You'll have to define exactly what you mean by liposomes. Extruded SUVs are one of our favorite test/training specimens because they are so easy to prepare and freeze. When most people say liposome, they mean something much larger. You'll need to give some details if you want useful advice. What are the lipid constituents, how large are the liposomes, how are they prepared, etc.   Would also be useful to see a representative image or two.
>
>> On May 12, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Reza Khayat <rkhayat at ccny.cuny.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We're trying to visualize liposomes in ice but are having some serious difficulty. Can anyone suggest some tricks that may be helpful? Thanks.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Reza
>>
>> Reza Khayat, PhD
>> Assistant Professor
>> City College of New York
>> Department of Chemistry
>> New York, NY 10031
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