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 EM ACE600 is not a reliable machine, we have several problems with it, especially with the thickness monitor. I know several other labs where people are also not happy with it for similar reasons. <br></span></div><div><span style="border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;display:inline">Quorum
 Q150V is a simple and nice machine, I had no problems with it in several labs and used it for thin carbon film deposition, that was successfully used for SPA work (</span>EMD-10655). I would go with the Q150V ES Plus version just to be able to deposit films onto the surface of samples for SEM. But I haven't managed to get the same quality of the film as in Quantifoil+2nm grids (these things are very-very thin and nice) but that totally depends on your skills. <br></div><div>On paper the Cressington Turbo Carbon Coater 208 Carbon looks fine too, I used it once and the result was ok. <br></div><div><br></div><div>An ultimate machine would be an R&D class deposition system with the e-beam gold evaporation, but the price is eye-watering.  <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Eugene<br></div><div><span style="border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;display:inline">   </span></div><div><span style="border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;display:inline"></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 12:44 PM Jasnin, Marion <<a href="mailto:jasnin@biochem.mpg.de">jasnin@biochem.mpg.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-9039665188966762728">




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 cheaper options like the Leica EM ACE200 exist. We would appreciate some advice on how important expensive features like ultra high vacuum or sample stage rotation really are for SPA.  Hints which instrument you are successfully using for this application
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