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<p>Hi Oliver/Cornelia, <br>
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<p>if you fill ethan and/or propan in their liquid phase at 200bar,
a 10L cylinder is sufficient.</p>
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</p>
<p>Best</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Dario<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25.04.23 16:05, Oliver Hofnagel
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<p>Hi Cornelia,</p>
<p>the ethane/propane gas mixture cylinders are filled with only
7 bar (pure ethane cylinders with 33 bar). Therefore the
recommendation to order 50 l cylinders !<br>
Greetings,</p>
<p>Oliver</p>
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<div><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Dr. Oliver Hofnagel</span><br>
<span style="font-size: 8pt;">Max-Planck-Institute of
Molecular Physiology</span><br>
<span style="font-size: 8pt;">Electron Microscopy</span><br>
<span style="font-size: 8pt;">Otto-Hahn-Str. 11</span><br>
<span style="font-size: 8pt;">44227 Dortmund</span><br>
<span style="font-size: 8pt;">Germany</span><br>
<span style="font-size: 8pt;"><br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>Von:</b>
Cornelia Cazey <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cornelia.cazey@cssb-hamburg.de"><cornelia.cazey@cssb-hamburg.de></a><br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 25. April 2023 13:50:10<br>
<b>An:</b> Oliver Hofnagel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Michael Elbaum; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:r.i.koning@lumc.nl">r.i.koning@lumc.nl</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:3dem@ncmir.ucsd.edu">3dem@ncmir.ucsd.edu</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [3dem] Calling all groups who use cryogen
mix from Linde-Gas (Germany, maybe Austria, Switzerland?) for
plunging</font>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Oliver,<br>
<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Thanks a lot for the info. But why do they only
supply in 50l cylinders? Or rather why order a 50l cylinder?
Economic reasons?
<br>
<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Thanks!<br>
<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Cornelia</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 25 Apr 2023, at 13:40, Oliver
Hofnagel <<a
href="mailto:oliver.hofnagel@mpi-dortmund.mpg.de"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">oliver.hofnagel@mpi-dortmund.mpg.de</a>>
wrote:
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<p>Dear Cornelia,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>here our supplier for 37% ethane / 63% propane 50l
cylinder cryogen mix in Germany:</p>
<p><i><br>
</i></p>
<p><i><span style="left: 61.45%; top: 24.19%; font-size:
8pt; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(1.05234);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">AIR
LIQUIDE Deutschland GmbH</span><br
role="presentation">
<span style="left: 61.45%; top: 25.19%; font-size:
8pt; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(1.02532);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">Kunden-Service-Center
Spezialgase</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 61.45%; top: 27.18%; font-size:
8pt; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(1.06881);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">Bataverstraße
47</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 61.45%; top: 28.18%; font-size:
8pt; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(1.11559);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">47809
Krefeld</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 61.45%; top: 29.18%; font-size:
8pt; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(1.1413);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">Telefon:
(02151) 954-254</span><br role="presentation">
</i><span style="left: 61.45%; top: 30.18%; font-size:
8pt; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(1.04558);" role="presentation" dir="ltr"><i>Email
: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:spezialgase.ald@airliquide.com">spezialgase.ald@airliquide.com</a></i></span></p>
<p><span style="left: 61.45%; top: 30.18%; font-size:
8pt; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(1.04558);" role="presentation" dir="ltr"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="left: 61.45%; top: 30.18%; font-size:
8pt; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(1.04558);" role="presentation" dir="ltr"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="left: 61.45%; top: 30.18%; font-size:
12pt; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(1.04558);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">Its
important to order a 50l cylinder, not a 10l
cylinder !<br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="left: 61.45%; top: 30.18%; font-size:
12pt; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(1.04558);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">Greetings,</span></p>
<p><span style="left: 61.45%; top: 30.18%; font-size:
12pt; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(1.04558);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">Oliver
<br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="left: 61.45%; top: 30.18%; font-size:
12pt; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(1.04558);" role="presentation" dir="ltr"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="left: 61.45%; top: 30.18%; font-size:
12pt; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(1.04558);" role="presentation" dir="ltr"></span></p>
<div><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Dr. Oliver Hofnagel</span>
<br>
<span style="font-size: 8pt;">Max-Planck-Institute of
Molecular Physiology</span>
<br>
<span style="font-size: 8pt;">Electron Microscopy</span>
<br>
<span style="font-size: 8pt;">Otto-Hahn-Str. 11</span>
<br>
<span style="font-size: 8pt;">44227 Dortmund</span> <br>
<span style="font-size: 8pt;">Germany</span> <br>
<span style="font-size: 8pt;"><br>
</span></div>
<br>
<p><br>
</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font
style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><b>Von:</b> 3dem
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:3dem-bounces@ncmir.ucsd.edu"><3dem-bounces@ncmir.ucsd.edu></a> im Auftrag von
Michael Elbaum <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michael.elbaum@weizmann.ac.il"><michael.elbaum@weizmann.ac.il></a><br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 20. April 2023 16:29:00<br>
<b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:r.i.koning@lumc.nl">r.i.koning@lumc.nl</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cornelia.cazey@cssb-hamburg.de">cornelia.cazey@cssb-hamburg.de</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:3dem@ncmir.ucsd.edu">3dem@ncmir.ucsd.edu</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [3dem] Calling all groups who use
cryogen mix from Linde-Gas (Germany, maybe Austria,
Switzerland?) for plunging</font>
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<p>Hi. would it be possible to use two pure tanks and
a mixing regulator? I think such regulators are used
for welding.
<br>
</p>
<p>Michael<br>
</p>
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style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><b>From:</b> 3dem
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:3dem-bounces@ncmir.ucsd.edu"><3dem-bounces@ncmir.ucsd.edu></a> on behalf of
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:r.i.koning@lumc.nl">r.i.koning@lumc.nl</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:r.i.koning@lumc.nl"><r.i.koning@lumc.nl></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 20, 2023 5:15:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cornelia.cazey@cssb-hamburg.de">cornelia.cazey@cssb-hamburg.de</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:3dem@ncmir.ucsd.edu">3dem@ncmir.ucsd.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [3dem] Calling all groups who
use cryogen mix from Linde-Gas (Germany, maybe
Austria, Switzerland?) for plunging</font>
<div> </div>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri", sans-serif;"><span style="">Dear
Cornelia,
</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri", sans-serif;"><span style=""> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri", sans-serif;"><span style=""
lang="EN-US">Our most recent order of
ethane/propane also did not come through from
Line because of the same reason. We will have to
do with ethane only for now but I prefer the
mixture for obvious reasons, though we do manage
with ethane only. We did not look for nor found
another vendor.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri", sans-serif;"><span style=""
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri", sans-serif;"><span style=""
lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri", sans-serif;"><span style=""
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri", sans-serif;"><span style=""
lang="EN-US">Roman</span></p>
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font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><b><span
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> 3dem
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:3dem-bounces@ncmir.ucsd.edu"><3dem-bounces@ncmir.ucsd.edu></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Cazey, Cornelia<br>
<b>Sent:</b> donderdag 20 april 2023 15:52<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:3dem@ncmir.ucsd.edu">3dem@ncmir.ucsd.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [3dem] Calling all groups
who use cryogen mix from Linde-Gas (Germany,
maybe Austria, Switzerland?) for plunging</span></p>
</div>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri", sans-serif;"> </p>
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<div>
<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black">Dear list participants,</span></p>
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font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black"> </span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black">Our lab is in Germany, and this
is a very particular question relating to a
German supplier, so apologies for addressing
the entire list, but it seemed the easiest
way to find groups who may be able to help.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black">We recently learned that
Linde-Gas, our supplier for the cryogen mix
we use in our facility (37% ethane, rest
propane) is no longer able to supply this
mixture due to the overall difficulties in
the production, age and poor state of their
necessary equipment.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black">I spoke with the supplier
yesterday and while they would like to
continue to offer the mix, they feel there
is not enough market to make it feasible. I
am now looking for info from groups who are
using a cryogen mix rather than pure ethane
for plunging
<span style="background:white">(I am not
sure, but relatively convinced that the
process would be the same for any kind of
mixture, so I guess the exact percentages
won't matter too much) and</span> have
previously sourced this from Linde-Gas, and
might be or have already been affected by
this decision. If you have been affected,
did you find a solution, a different
supplier or any other alternative you are
willing to share? Or if you didn't yet know,
how much would this news affect your ability
to work, and would you be interested to try
and convince Linde-Gas to keep going? I
understand the production line has already
been shut down, but could be revived with
enough interest, however, it may also come
with a price increase (what doesn't). </span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black">Any help would be greatly
appreciated, whether info on alternatives or
willingness to push for the supply. I am
happy to collect replies to send to the
Linde-Gas representative in bulk or, of
course, for those who prefer to contact him
directly, do so themselves and increase the
pressure to keep going/restart production.</span></p>
</div>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black"> </span></p>
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font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black">Thanks a lot for your help!</span></p>
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font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
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font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black">Best wishes,</span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;
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font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black">Cornelia Cazey (She/Her)</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri",
sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black">Cryo-EM Facility</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:black"></span></p>
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