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    <font size="4"><font face="monospace">Dear James, <br>
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        you didn't say which detergent the micelles would be orinigating
        from, it changes from detergent to detergent. <br>
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        But in any case, beside the mix DDM/CHS which forms small
        micelles when concentrated but large objects when diluted, most
        micelles are much much smaller, say 30-50Å or so. <br>
        <br>
        I think there is an article by the group of Arne Moeller on
        detergent micelle observation by negative stain, I don't recall
        if they tried in cryo. <br>
        <br>
        Best<br>
        Vincent<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 13/04/2023 à 15:48, Kizziah, James a
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            style="line-height:120%;text-autospace:none">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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            style="line-height:120%;text-autospace:none">We have imaged
            a cryo-EM sample presumed to contain micelles and observed
            the large, white objects full of/covered with junk shown in
            the attached images. Our best guess is that these are (or
            were) the micelles and have been destroyed by the electron
            beam, contact with the air water interface, or both, after
            vitrification. Has anyone seen something like this before or
            does anyone have alternative interpretations?
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            style="line-height:120%;text-autospace:none">Glow-discharged
            lacey carbon grids plunge frozen with a Mark IV Vitrobot,
            clipped and imaged on a Glacios.
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            style="line-height:120%;text-autospace:none">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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            style="line-height:120%;text-autospace:none">James<o:p></o:p></p>
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