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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">maybe a very simple solution: Place a
      pleated filter paper next to the grids, add 50 µl Amylamine and
      pump and glow-discharge as usual ... you should notice a change in
      the color of the plasma. <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Cheers,</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thorsten</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12.01.2023 12:04, Farzad wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Dear David,
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        <div>Let me share my experience with semiconductor gas systems.</div>
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        <div>For supplying the gas from a liquid source like amylamine
          in a vacuum system like Pelco easiGlow, you need a "precursor
          gas generator". Despite its fancy name, it can be a very
          simple setup. In fact, this setup is very common in various
          systems like Chemical Vapor Deposition (CVD) and maybe you
          have already seen it in the environmental scanning electron
          microscopes (for water vapor supply or some liquid precursors
          for EBID, etc). In this set up you keep the liquid in a closed
          vessel like a glass balloon, and you keep the temperature
          around it fixed. The temperature determines the partial
          pressure of the gas which is necessary for the repeatability
          of the process. Normally, people put the balloon in a
          laboratory balloon heater or an ice bath, depending on the
          boiling point of the precursor and the desired partial
          pressure. The selection of the temperature is up to you. If
          your lab environment is stable enough and your gas consumption
          is also low enough, you can do it at room temperature without
          any additional device. In this case, you just need to have a
          big enough balloon and leave it to equilibrate. </div>
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        <div>Also, for more repeatability, you are advised to keep the
          pressure over the liquid vessel (the balloon) at a constant
          level. The reason is that for non-ideal gasses the partial
          pressure is slightly dependent on the system's pressure. For
          achieving that level of stability, you can set up a carrier
          gas inlet to the balloon like a bobbler. The carrier gas can
          be nitrogen, argon, or even air (just leave an open inlet to
          the bobbler. You can also keep balloons under a vacuum
          condition which is also another strategy for keeping the
          pressure constant! In this case, the setup is similar except
          the carrier gas pipe is not submerged in the liquid and it is
          connected to a vacuum pump.<br>
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        <div><b>Caution 1: There is a safety consideration for heating
            the vessel to near boiling point or working at high carrier
            gas pressure. If you want to have high partial pressure and
            hence you decide to heat the precursor to near its boiling
            temperature you need to consider a safety release valve and
            a reliable suction hood OR a higher pressure chamber. It is
            worthy of note that since evaporation needs time and energy,
            heating is always preferred for a more uniform gas
            composition. Glass balloons are not made to maintain very
            high pressures.</b><br>
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        <div><b>Caution 2: Should you need to inject multiple gasses you
            need to install mass flow controllers at the inlets after
            the bobblers. This guarantees a constant gas composition.</b></div>
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        <div>Hope these details help you make your bobbler (precursor
          gas generator).</div>
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        <div>Cheers,</div>
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        <div>Ferrie</div>
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style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Has
                  anyone modified a Pelco glow discharge device so that
                  one can introduce something like amylamine into the
                  chamber during the glow discharge?  I can think of
                  several ways that this could be done, but if someone
                  already has a working model, I would love to chat with
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