<div dir="auto">Thanks everyone for the quick response.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards,</div><div dir="auto">Umar</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 5 Jun 2020, 5:09 am Jay Rai, <<a href="mailto:jrai@fsu.edu">jrai@fsu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>If your proteins complexes are too small and cannot get the enough contrast with Graphene oxide or in thicker ice then you can give a shot with strepavidine Monolayer.</div>
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<div id="m_7323023622122179323divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> 3dem <<a href="mailto:3dem-bounces@ncmir.ucsd.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">3dem-bounces@ncmir.ucsd.edu</a>> on behalf of Felipe Merino <<a href="mailto:felipe.merino@tuebingen.mpg.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">felipe.merino@tuebingen.mpg.de</a>><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [3dem] [ext] Hexamer dissociate while freezing Cryo-EM grids</font>
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<p>Hi Umar,</p>
<p>Or if you know already that your protein is happy on a surface you might want to give graphene or graphene oxide grids a try.
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<div>On 04.06.20 21:57, Schacherl, Magdalena wrote:<br>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">I agree with Jay, that using detergents or surfactants (octyl glucoside 0.1% final conc. or fluorinated octyl maltoside 0.0125% final conc.) might help you. The detergents repel the protein from the water-air
interface. Be aware of the fact, that they make the ice thicker and you need a much higher concentration of protein as compared to blotting without detergents.
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<p><span lang="EN-US">If blotting per se (the force applied by the contact with filter paper) is the problem, you could try to fix the hexamer with mild glutaraldehyde treatment prior to blotting. We occasionally use
</span><span lang="EN-US">0.5% (v/v) glutaraldehyde (EM grade) and incubate for 10 min at 4 °C, then immediately blot and plunge freeze.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">If everything fails, then you might want to try blot-free techniques to apply your protein to grids (e.g. spotting or writing) – there are commercial machines around like Chameleon or VitroJet, or you try to spray your
protein (see S. Muench lab or J. Frank lab, and others).</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Best regards, </span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Magdalena</span></p>
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<b>Datum: </b>Donnerstag, 4. Juni 2020 um 21:25<br>
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<p>I would like to ask the community for suggestions on how to overcome the issue of hexamer dissociating while freezing Cryo-EM grids, the negative staining seems to be perfect hexamer at 0.1 mg/ml concentration. But the sample seems to
fall apart at 1.5 mg/ml in Cryo freezing, please advise, thank you.</p>
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