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was missing, either from the consulate people or the organizers in Kolkata.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">So I ended up not going. It has cost me a lot of time and money (for touristic</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">plans prior and after the conference that I already booked, not expecting</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">any problems). I guess that this is an Indian thing that I do not understand.<br></div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="ydpb9cd862signature"><div style="font-size:16px;"><div>Gabor T. Herman, Ph.D.</div><div>Professor Emeritus<br></div><div>Ph.D. Computer Science Program<br></div><div>The Graduate Center </div><div>City University of New York</div>Web-Page:  <a href="http://gabor.ws.gc.cuny.edu/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://gabor.ws.gc.cuny.edu/</a><br>.<br>========================================== <br>.<br>A new and improved version of<br>.<br>SNARK14 (a programming system for the reconstruction of 2D images from 1D projections)<br>is available for downloading from<br><a shape="rect" href="http://turing.iimas.unam.mx/SNARK14M" id="ydp2c81abefyui_3_16_0_1_1497385228514_8796" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://turing.iimas.unam.mx/SNARK14M</a><br>.</div></div></div>
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                    On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 1:41:00 PM EDT, Natesh Ramanathan <natesh@iisertvm.ac.in> wrote:
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                <div><div id="ydp87ee2b53yiv4015227421"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Sara,</div><div>          Yes "Applicants from all over the world are encouraged to apply".  I understand the disappointment and completely agree, but in the end, only the officers at the Embassy have the visa issuing authority and each country has its restrictions.  We had put our best efforts from our side with required papers for visa purpose, but ultimately the Embassy officers are the decision-makers.  </div><div>           Hope you understand that it was a situation beyond our control.</div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Natesh</div><br clear="none"><div class="ydp87ee2b53yiv4015227421gmail_quote"><div class="ydp87ee2b53yiv4015227421yqt4405918473" id="ydp87ee2b53yiv4015227421yqt47888"><div class="ydp87ee2b53yiv4015227421gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 22:40, Sara Sandin <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:SSandin@ntu.edu.sg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">SSandin@ntu.edu.sg</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="ydp87ee2b53yiv4015227421gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">




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<p>I would like to highlight that my graduate student from Pakistan, working in Singapore, did not get a visa to attend the workshop last round. </p>
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<p>Disappointing and not good for science. I hope you do better this year, </p>
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practical course, mention "Yes" in your application under this heading.    All<br clear="none">
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School of Biology,<br clear="none">
Indian Institute of Science Education and Research Thiruvananthapuram<br clear="none">
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