<div dir="ltr"><div>We have seen a few times contamination problems at the start of the day. We have done the following to minimize the issue: pre-cool ELSA at least half an hour before loading the grids. Also cool the cold trap even longer if you could. If you load your grids too soon, the temperature will rise significantly once you put it into the column (we believe the rod design difference is the cause). We still see contamination sometimes, but usually the 2nd one and on are ok. Due to our many users we also continuously use the ELSA no stop often. The previous user fill the LN at 11-12 pm, and the next user take over around 9ish in the morning no problem. Read bellow for more good and bad of the ELSA.<br></div><div><br></div><div>In extreme, we got 11-12 hrs for ELSA to keep Cryo, 8-10 as a norm which allowed us to use it continuously. We bake out about once a week. The drift of ELSA is also very impressive: with active heating on, the drift is usually better than the 626.6. </div><div><br></div><div>Now came to the bad part: we got pretty annoying resolution anisotropy (stage Y much worse than X). We played alot here on the V-grove but doesn't help that much. Gatan is not very helpful here either, their measurement of "resolution" (they use "interferometer" to measure some vibration kind of thing) showed ok. In comparison, the 626.6 holder shoot for better than 2.3A with a cross grating specimen easily on our F20 (their resolution spec is to be able to see the 2.3A Xgrating diff line on all directions). You may ask why the amazing drift rate of ELSA didn't help here? I believe it's some high frequency vibrations that the drift couldn't help with. For example, in the stage X direction, even if it is still drifting crazy and a bad summed Thon Ring, the MotionCorr corrected image recovered all the lost Thon Ring. The K2 is just amazing. </div><div><br></div><div>We were thinking of buying another ELSA, but this resolution story hesitated us. In principle, due to the use of many particles, you may still be able to get high resolution, but with double or quadruple the number of particles than necessary on a better holder.</div><div><br></div><div><b>In short for potential buyers, if a long Cryo holding time is all you need, go for it, otherwise think again. But, I do hope we are the only exception. And frustratingly, Gatan didn't offer any help further.</b></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Haifeng</div><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 8:07 AM Grassucci, Robert <<a href="mailto:rg2502@cumc.columbia.edu">rg2502@cumc.columbia.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">We tried out the ultra-low profile Elsa and liked the ability to recover the grids but did not like the robustness of the clipping system. We have a Gatan 914
holder and have had to replace the front spring on several occasions because it eventually gets bent or loose and no longer clamps the grid properly. This may be why you are seeing with the leopard skin ice. The conduction on the grid may not be sufficient
to maintain a temperature that will keep vitreous ice on the grid. This holder is great for a very experienced and careful user but definitely not for general use. That is our experience with the Elsa. Hope it helps.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 12, 2019 8:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:3dem@ncmir.ucsd.edu" target="_blank">3dem@ncmir.ucsd.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [3dem] Elsa cryo holder<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I would be grateful if someone of you could share some more information related to the ELSA cryoholders.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We extensively tried out the ultra-low profile (ULP) tip for 2 weeks and the results were quite controversial.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The stability of the holder was amazing in comparison to our 626 cryoholders but there was a regular appearing of leopard/orange skin on the grids.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t know, Benjamin. Elsa freezes things so fast that maybe she is really making vitreous ice! :-)
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(2) She always wants to "let it go." Both of those things are undesirable for cryo holders! :-)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Our local sales says<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>"Gatan has not shipped any production 698 Elas holder yet. The holders won’t start shipping until March of 2018. Gatan cannot discover where they tested the holder, as that is not a complete product and the development is confidential."
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are considering the purchase of an Elsa Cryo transfer holder Model 698 from Gatan. It is looking great on paper with its centrosymmetric design, extended hold time to 8h and
everything but I am wondering if someone has already experience with it. Either with the standard profile holder or with the ultra-low one.
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Anastasia D. Gazi, PhD.<br>
Ultrastructural BioImaging unit,<br>
Départment de Biologie cellulaire et infection,<br>
Institut Pasteur<br>
28, rue du Dr. Roux<br>
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