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<p>Hi Axel,</p>
<p>We ordered a box, and first impressions were good. Delivery was 2
days post order. Chris Arthur from our group inspected the grids
carefully, but since he's on vacation right now, I'll let you know
what I remember of his report. <br>
</p>
<p>Holes were as expected in terms of dimensions and periodicity.
Our major problem recently with most of the C-flat grids we'd
bought was a tall "lip" of the carbon foil around the edges of the
holes (only in some batches), which we think led to much thicker
ice than desirable. The batch we got from Philogrid did not have
as pronounced a problem, though there was a small lip if I
remember correctly.<br>
</p>
<p>Hope this helps,<br>
Alexis<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/06/2018 04:30 PM, Axel Brilot
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi All,<br>
<br>
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Since it's been a while since launch now, has anyone been able
to obtain and test grids by Philogrids?<br>
<br>
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Axel<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:27 PM,
Gregory Alushin <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:galushin@mail.rockefeller.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">galushin@mail.rockefeller.edu</a>></span>
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<div>Agreed. Inconsistency is a higher price in wasted
time and effort than a slight premium for quality.</div>
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<div>Hopefully Philogrids is willing to provide samples to
see if their product is what they claim.</div>
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<div>-Greg Alushin </div>
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On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:20 PM, Gabriel Lander <<a
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<div>I'm happy to pay that if the grids are
consistent and delivered in a timely fashion.
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<div>On Feb 16, 2018, at 11:35 AM, Morgan,
David Gene <<a
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face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span
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<b>Sent:</b><span
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February 16, 2018 1:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
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Terje<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span
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Grassucci, Robert<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
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[3dem] A new holey carbon TEM grid
by PhiloGrids</font>
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<div dir="ltr">At a lower price tag?
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri,
Feb 16, 2018 at 1:11 PM,
Dokland, Terje<span
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<div
style="word-wrap:break-word">My
interpretation was that they
are reselling C-flat grids,
which have exactly the same
1.2/1.3 um hole spacing.
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<div>On Feb 16,
2018, at 10:34 AM,
Grassucci, Robert
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<span
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Philogrids</span></div>
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<span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Is
this a scam?
Nice website
but without
further
information it
is an
unknown. It
makes me
nervous to
place an
order.
Clifton is
close by to
NYC so if you
give us more
information
and perhaps
some sample
grids to try I
can come by to
verify
Philogrids is
a legitimate
company.
Please let
us know.</span></div>
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<span
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you.</span></div>
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<span
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<b><span
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class="m_5118194537652064060m_-2749337531935349522Apple-converted-space"> </span>3dem
[mailto:<a
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style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">3dem-bounces@ncmir.ucs<wbr>d.edu</a>]<span
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Behalf Of<span
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Thomas<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
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February 15,
2018 1:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
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Stahlberg <<a
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<b>Cc:</b><span
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<b>Subject:</b><span
class="m_5118194537652064060m_-2749337531935349522Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[3dem] A new
holey carbon
TEM grid by
PhiloGrids</span></div>
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a good
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On Wed, Feb
14, 2018 at
11:58 PM,
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style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">henning.stahlberg@unibas.ch</a>>
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Thanks for the
link.<br>
I can see a
P.O. box in
Clifton and a
phone number.<br>
But who are
you, and what
are your
prices?<br>
<span
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> On Feb
15, 2018, at
04:32,
Philogrids
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wrote:<br>
><br>
> To
members of the
3DEM
community:<br>
><br>
>
PhiloGrids is
pleased to
introduce our
new holey
carbon grid
for cryo-EM.<br>
><br>
><br>
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