<div dir="ltr">This is bad..<div>Why aren't they available?</div><div>Most of the papers are in red especially in Cryo-EM. I agree the contrast is bit shocking.</div><div>Sanchaita</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 8:37 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:3dem-request@ncmir.ucsd.edu" target="_blank">3dem-request@ncmir.ucsd.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send 3dem mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: 3dem Digest, Vol 123, Issue 28 (Amedee des Georges)<br>
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 22:03:35 +0000<br>
From: Amedee des Georges <<a href="mailto:Amedee.desGeorges@asrc.cuny.edu">Amedee.desGeorges@asrc.cuny.<wbr>edu</a>><br>
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This is particularly bad indeed!<br>
All cryo-EM is in red, while the prize-wining papers from Physics and Pysiology are mostly in the public domain.<br>
The contrast is not pleasing!<br>
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Amedee<br>
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Assistant Professor, Structural Biology Initiative, CUNY Advanced Science Research Center<br>
Assistant professor of Chemistry & Biochemistry, City College of New York<br>
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 19:19:24 +0000<br>
From: "Frank, Joachim" <<a href="mailto:jf2192@cumc.columbia.edu">jf2192@cumc.columbia.edu</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:jf2192@cumc.columbia.edu">jf2192@cumc.columbia.<wbr>edu</a>>><br>
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Subject: [3dem] WIRE: all cryo-EM lit cited outside of public domain<br>
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<a href="https://thewire.in/184754/nobel-prize-chemistry-physics-medicine-journal-open-access-cryo-electron-microscopy/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://thewire.in/184754/<wbr>nobel-prize-chemistry-physics-<wbr>medicine-journal-open-access-<wbr>cryo-electron-microscopy/</a><br>
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 22:29:12 +0000<br>
From: "Penczek, Pawel A" <<a href="mailto:Pawel.A.Penczek@uth.tmc.edu">Pawel.A.Penczek@uth.tmc.edu</a>><br>
To: Amedee des Georges <<a href="mailto:Amedee.desGeorges@asrc.cuny.edu">Amedee.desGeorges@asrc.cuny.<wbr>edu</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [3dem] 3dem Digest, Vol 123, Issue 28<br>
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We are still better off than Literature - no prize-winning work in last 50 years is in public domain.<br>
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On Nov 18, 2017, at 4:03 PM, Amedee des Georges <<a href="mailto:Amedee.desGeorges@asrc.cuny.edu">Amedee.desGeorges@asrc.cuny.<wbr>edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Amedee.desGeorges@asrc.cuny.edu">Amedee.desGeorges@<wbr>asrc.cuny.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
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This is particularly bad indeed!<br>
All cryo-EM is in red, while the prize-wining papers from Physics and Pysiology are mostly in the public domain.<br>
The contrast is not pleasing!<br>
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Amedee<br>
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Amedee des Georges, Ph.D.<br>
Assistant Professor, Structural Biology Initiative, CUNY Advanced Science Research Center<br>
Assistant professor of Chemistry & Biochemistry, City College of New York<br>
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 19:19:24 +0000<br>
From: "Frank, Joachim" <<a href="mailto:jf2192@cumc.columbia.edu">jf2192@cumc.columbia.edu</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:jf2192@cumc.columbia.edu">jf2192@cumc.columbia.<wbr>edu</a>>><br>
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Subject: [3dem] WIRE: all cryo-EM lit cited outside of public domain<br>
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 01:37:42 +0000<br>
From: Diana Tomchick <Diana.Tomchick@<wbr>UTSouthwestern.edu><br>
To: "Penczek, Pawel A" <<a href="mailto:Pawel.A.Penczek@uth.tmc.edu">Pawel.A.Penczek@uth.tmc.edu</a>><br>
Cc: Amedee des Georges <<a href="mailto:Amedee.desGeorges@asrc.cuny.edu">Amedee.desGeorges@asrc.cuny.<wbr>edu</a>>,<br>
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Subject: Re: [3dem] 3dem Digest, Vol 123, Issue 28<br>
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Maybe not in the public domain, but available for free from your local public library, and nowadays often available as a digital download.<br>
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Diana<br>
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Department of Biophysics, Rm. ND10.214A<br>
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On Nov 18, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Penczek, Pawel A <<a href="mailto:Pawel.A.Penczek@uth.tmc.edu">Pawel.A.Penczek@uth.tmc.edu</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:Pawel.A.Penczek@uth.tmc.edu">Pawel.A.Penczek@uth.<wbr>tmc.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
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We are still better off than Literature - no prize-winning work in last 50 years is in public domain.<br>
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Pawel<br>
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On Nov 18, 2017, at 4:03 PM, Amedee des Georges <<a href="mailto:Amedee.desGeorges@asrc.cuny.edu">Amedee.desGeorges@asrc.cuny.<wbr>edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Amedee.desGeorges@asrc.cuny.edu">Amedee.desGeorges@<wbr>asrc.cuny.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
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This is particularly bad indeed!<br>
All cryo-EM is in red, while the prize-wining papers from Physics and Pysiology are mostly in the public domain.<br>
The contrast is not pleasing!<br>
<br>
Amedee<br>
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Assistant Professor, Structural Biology Initiative, CUNY Advanced Science Research Center<br>
Assistant professor of Chemistry & Biochemistry, City College of New York<br>
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