<div dir="ltr">Hi<div><br></div><div>OK - I checked it out - sorry it was a few years ago when we did all this and I got it wrong.</div><div><br></div><div>We first requested no sprinklers in the microscope rooms, but this was deemed completely unacceptable by fire / building safety. We are not allowed inert gas systems as it means the whole area has to be classified as highly hazardous (in case they go off) and we didn't fancy being forced by health and safety to set up grids while wearing a scuba outfit. We didn't go with powder (Wim, James, you are right the powder would have equally damaged the microscope). </div><div><br></div><div>Instead we have a double interlock reaction dry sprinkler system with VESDA. As I understand it the dry sprinkler is nitrogen reticulated (to help prevent corrosion in the pipes) and being dry means there is no or very little water in the pipes above the microscope (although there is water behind the valve located elsewhere in the building of course). The key is the VESDA (very early smoke detection) system which, as I understand it must be triggered together with the sprinkler head being breached in order for the system to be activated. Thus simple clobbering of the sprinkler head through the previously mentioned student soccer games or just a leak in the system is not enough - the VESDA must also be activated at the same time to open the valve. Its not totally foolproof (students kicking soccer balls at the sprinkler head while juggling firesticks in the microscope room for e.g.) but seemed the best option we could come up with and still afford. It<span style="font-size:13px"> added about $150K to the cost. We also got in writing that the insurance </span>company recognise and take on the risk.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope this helps.</div><div><br></div><div>J</div><div><span style="font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-size:13px"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 March 2016 at 05:06, Wim Hagen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hagen@embl.de" target="_blank">hagen@embl.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div></div><div>James.</div><div><br></div><div>I would be interested what powder is used and if instruments can actually survive this.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Wim Hagen</div><div>EMBL Heidelberg</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Mar 4, 2016, at 03:19, <a href="mailto:james.whisstock@monash.edu" target="_blank">james.whisstock@monash.edu</a> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>We have a dry powder sprinkler system - it wasn't cheap - I'll try to find out how much offline - but generally in Australia the insurance companies demand that one takes "reasonable precautions" to install systems that are unlikely to destroy what's under them if accidentally triggered....otherwise we are not insured, so we had no option......</div><div><br></div><div>J</div><div><br><div>-------</div><div>Professor James Whisstock</div><div><br></div><div>Director, ARC Centre of Excellence in Advanced Molecular Imaging</div><div>NHMRC Senior Principal Research Fellow</div><div>Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology</div><div>Monash University</div><div>Clayton, Melbourne, VIC, 3800</div><div>Australia</div><div><a href="tel:%2B61%20418%20170%20585" value="+61418170585" target="_blank">+61 418 170 585</a></div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 3 Mar 2016, at 6:14 PM, Xu, Chen <<a href="mailto:Chen.Xu@umassmed.edu" target="_blank">Chen.Xu@umassmed.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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We are constructing a new facility for a Titan-Krios. Our construction people want to install the usual sprinkler system in case of fire. We are concerned about potential water damage to the microscope if there was a false alarm. We are wondering whether we
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