<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unlike Ed, I do understand the basis for the paranoia, but I do not see a sensible way around it. Our system is currently based on anonymous peer review, be that good or ill. As such, if we expect thorough, honest, accurate, and ultimately helpful reviews, it only makes sense that the reviewer can look at the maps to assess the claims made, and to suss out potential errors in processing or methodology. Ultimately they will have to be deposited regardless. I don’t see how you can avoid trusting the reviewers to behave honourably.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Having said that, perhaps we should consider implementing a system where reviewers are de-anonymised in the event of a controversy (ie. your paper is scooped after a 4 month review process).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">mike</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 30, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Edward Egelman <<a href="mailto:egelman@virginia.edu" class="">egelman@virginia.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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First, let me say that I was not the reviewer! Second, I recently
spoke at an NIH workshop on reproducibility in structural biology:<br class="">
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and making maps and models available to reviewers BEFORE
publication, and not AFTER, was one of my recommendations. I gave
several examples of papers in high profile journals that would never
have been published had reviewers actually compared the maps and
models during review. I do not understand the basis for the
paranoia.<br class="">
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Ed<br class="">
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i would be interested in experiences / suggestions /
views of others in the field on the following issue
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the editor of our manuscript forwarded the request of a
peer-reviewer to access the cryo-em map of our beloved
complex. this has never happened to us, but to our
surprise the editor did not consider the request to be
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of course, we share the point that the map would be of
great help in judging the interpretation of the data.
however, we also feel very uncomfortable sending the
condensed result of lengthy research to an anonymous
colleague, who could theoretically make considerable
misuse of it. nevertheless, the policy of the journal
seems to let us little choice: "<font size="2" class="">Supporting
data must be made available to editors and peer</font><font size="2" class="">-</font><font size="2" class="">reviewers at the time of</font><font size="2" class=""> submission for the purposes of evaluating the
manuscript.</font><font size="2" class=""> Peer</font><font size="2" class="">-</font><font size="2" class="">reviewers</font><font size="2" class=""> may be asked</font><font size="2" class=""> to comment
on the terms of access to materials, methods and/or data
sets</font><font size="2" class="">"</font>.<br class="">
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in any case we would be curious whether others indeed got
similar requests and how they dealt with it. a good solution
for (paranoid?) people like us could be a good web-based
viewer that lets others view our map, but i would not know
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Max-Planck Institut fuer Biochemie<br class="">
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