[3dem] [External] Hydration failure on continuous carbon despite solvent cleaning

[Morgan, David Gene]

Dan,

There are probably lots of ways to address this, but if you have access to a carbon coater, you can deposit a very light coating of carbon over your 2 nm layer.  You obviously want the new layer to be as thin as possible, but that should be possible.

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Hi 3DEMers,
My lab had previous success with 2nm continuous carbon coated Quantifoils (QF R2/2 300 +2nm, or EMS cat # Q3100CR2-2NM), but hydration and particle adsorption stopped working when we got two new boxes (both are lot 201027). I tested the chloroform, acetone, isopropanol cleaning procedure from Passmore and Russo 2016, checked by negative stain and a very stable control protein (confirmed to work on a CF400-UL grid with the same glow discharge and stain procedure). On the QF+2nm with or without cleaning, particles aggregate in pooled stain patches (images attached). The failure in cryo-EM is similar, very dry squares, sometimes with central pools, but hardly any particles.

Has anyone seen this behavior with continuous carbon grids, especially the commercial coatings? Any recommendations for other cleaning techniques?

Unfortunately the glow discharge treatment has to be quite gentle otherwise the thin coating over the holes will break - we use 15 mA for 15 sec and then try to compensate with longer droplet incubation times, 20-60 seconds.

Thanks for any advice!

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Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
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