[3dem] what is the ideal B factor?
Paulina Dominiak
pdomin at chem.uw.edu.pl
Fri Aug 28 01:51:57 PDT 2020
Dear Alexis,
When you compare structure factors computed for a molecule using the
same values of atomic B-factors, but different scattering factors, I am
expecting the slope to be less negative for more correct scattering
factors. It is so for small molecules, at least in some regions of
resolution (from ca. 6 A to 1 A).
At the moment I do not have access to all our data to compute the plot
for a protein. When I have (next week) I will send you an exemplary plot.
Best,
Paulina
W dniu 27.08.2020 o 06:47, Alexis Rohou pisze:
> Dear Paulina,
>
> Thank you for your contribution. I am afraid I am not in a position to
> truly appreciate your work, but I wonder if you could answer the
> following question about simulating Guinier plots.
>
> When I computed my idealized Guinier plot of a protein (well, the part
> of it beyond 0.1 Å^-1), I used my understanding of Wilson statistics
> (that the average intensity in a frequency band is the sum of the
> squared structure factors over all atoms in the structure) to compute
> intensities based on the sums of scattering factors, where the factors
> I used came from Peng, Ren, Dudarev, Whelan (Acta Cryst 1996 A52,
> 257-276, Table 1). I then took the square root and plotted it on a ln
> scale as a function of q^2, the squared spatial frequency. This gave
> me something very similar to what can be seen in figure 1 of Rosenthal
> & Henderson (2003): an approximately straight line with a negative
> slope. My question to you: would you expect this slope (which I
> interpret as being a feature of the underlying scattering factors) to
> be more, or less, negative if I had used more accurate structure
> factors or simulation techniques?
>
> Sorry if the above question is naive - just trying to understand the
> basics and this is not a part of the literature I am familiar with.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexis
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:24 AM Paulina Dominiak <pdomin at uw.edu.pl
> <mailto:pdomin at uw.edu.pl>> wrote:
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> I am not a single-particle cryoEM practitioner yet and do not now
> the answer for Alexis questions. But allow me to comment on the
> relation of B-factors and scattering model used to interpret
> experimental data.
>
> I have an expertise in developing new scattering models for X-ray
> diffraction, and now for electron diffraction, which are better
> than commonly used scattering factors from Independent Atom Model
> (IAM). We have discovered recently than when electron diffraction
> (ED) data for small molecules are refined with IAM scattering
> factors, obtained B-factors are by far too small (even 70% too
> small at atomic resolution depending on the molecule), and they
> are getting even smaller when resolution gets worse. Some of the
> results are published here: Acta Cryst. (2020). A76, 92-109,
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?S2053273319015304__;!!Mih3wA!Q_w-Shi4bvEXqk1UNal2gzpEGshCRX08MXgdD5Xil0QLJD-FC9-BJPoEhreCqBhHwQ$
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?S2053273319015304__;!!Mih3wA!QYmYdkLbYrZEU5IV3t_6eqD_D0Fo7WOZZS2ej0vYl22csigpsYVYEWOaxcxBbdLWKA$>
>
> Usage of wrong scattering factors (which do not take into account
> partial charge on atoms, and asphericity of electron density and
> electrostatic potential due to existence of covalent bonds, lone
> electron pairs, etc.) may be one of the reason why B-factors from
> ED and sp cryoEM are so nonphysical.
>
> With regards,
>
> Paulina
>
>
>
> W dniu 26.08.2020 o 07:05, Alexis Rohou pisze:
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I hope you may be able to help me get my head around something.
>>
>> When considering the radially-averaged amplitudes of an ideal 3D
>> protein structure, the expectation (as laid out in Fig1 of
>> Rosenthal & Henderson, 2003 (PMID: 14568533), among others) is
>> that in the Wilson-statistics regime (q > 0.1 Å^-1, let’s say),
>> amplitudes will decay in a Gaussian manner, or linearly when
>> plotted on a log scale against q^2, reflecting the decay of
>> structure factors.
>>
>> This expectation is certainly met when simulating maps from PDB
>> files, as described nicely for example by Carlos Oscar Sorzano
>> and colleagues recently (Vilas et al., 2020, PMID: 31911170).
>> Let’s call the rate of decay of this ideal curve B_ideal, the
>> “ideal” B factor.
>>
>> Assuming for a moment that noise has a flat spectrum (reasonable
>> so long as shot noise is dominant), one may follow in Rosenthal &
>> Henderson’s footsteps and draw a horizontal line on our plot to
>> represent the noise floor. As more averaging is carried out, the
>> noise floor is lowered relative to our protein’s amplitude
>> profile. As more particles are averaged (without error, let’s
>> say) the intersection between the protein’s ideal radial
>> amplitude profile and the noise floor moves to higher and higher
>> frequencies.
>>
>> This is the basis for the so-called ResLog plots, where one
>> charts the resolution as a function of the number of averaged
>> particles. The slope of the ResLog plot is related to the slope
>> of the radial amplitude profile of the protein. Assuming no
>> additional sources of errors (i.e. ideal instrument and no
>> processing errors), B_ideal (the slope of the ideal protein
>> amplitude profile) can be computed from the slope of the ResLog
>> plot via B_ideal = 2.0/slope.
>>
>> Now, to my question. By looking at the slope of a schematic
>> Guinier plot generated using Wilson statistics and atomic
>> scattering factors for electrons, I estimated a B_ideal of
>> approximately 50 Å^2 (decay of ~ 1.37 natural log in amplitude
>> over 0.1 Å^-2). The problem is that recent high-resolution
>> studies have reported ResLog-estimated B factors of 32.5 Å^2
>> (Nakane et al., 2020) and 36 Å^2 (Yip et al., 2020), leading me
>> to wonder what is wrong in the above model.
>>
>> I see several possibilities:
>>
>> (1) B_ideal is actually significantly less than 50 Å^2. This
>> would be consistent with the empirical observation that
>> “flattening” maps’ amplitude spectrum (i.e. assuming B-ideal = 0
>> Å^2) gives very nice maps. Either:
>>
>> a. I mis-estimated B_ideal when reading the simulated
>> amplitude spectrum plot. Has anyone done this (i.e. fit a B
>> factor to a simulated map’s amplitude spectrum, or to a
>> simulated spectrum)? What did you find?
>>
>> b. The simulations using atomic scattering factors and
>> Wilson statistics do not correctly capture the actual
>> amplitude profile of proteins, which is actually much flatter
>> than the atomic scattering factors suggest.
>>
>> (2) B_ideal actually is ~ 50 Å^2, but the assumption of a flat
>> noise spectrum is wrong. I guess that if the true noise spectrum
>> were also decaying at a function of q^2, this would cause the
>> ResLog plot to report “too small” a B factor
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexis
>>
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Group Leader
Electron Density Modelling Group
Laboratory for Structural and Biochemical Research (LBSBio)
Biological and Chemical Research Centre
Department of Chemistry
University of Warsaw
ul. Zwirki i Wigury 101
02-089 Warszawa, Poland
Room: 3.125
E-mail: pdomin at chem.uw.edu.pl
Phone: (48) 22 55 26 714
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