[3dem] Help! Plastic films on my holey grids are KILLING ME

[Schwartz, Cindi (NIH/NIAID) [E]]

Hi all,

We've been suffering with trying to get the plastic films off our Quantifoil grids with very inconsistent results. We've also had film issues on the c-flats, but my understanding is that the Quantifoils use a plastic background and the c-flats use a carbon background. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that one. We use both copper and gold grids with the carbon substrate of various different patterns from R1/4 to Multi-A with grids that we purchased 2 years ago to ones we've received last month.

The list of solvents we've tried that should dissolve plastic films:
Ethyl acetate
Chloroform
Ethylene dichloride
Trichlorobenzene

The list of solvents to clean them up a bit:
Acetone
Ethanol
5% acetic acid

We've tried sonication (a disaster)
Submerging in drops
Submerging in vast quantities of liquid
With/without little stir bars while the grids are on a metal platform in the solvent
Time ranges from 15 min to overnight
With/without a light glow discharge before cleaning

We've put 10 nm colloidal gold fiducials on both sides of the grids (like you'd use for plastic section tomography-where they stick to Formvar just fine) after cleaning with various permutations from the above lists and we see that the carbon has gold, and the 'holes' are clean with no gold, only they aren't clean! The colloidal gold does not seem to stick to the plastic film because we see the film if we negative stain apoferritin on these same grids or we see the films in the big scope based on the ctf or the way the ice has blotted or how the films have broken away and flipped onto the carbon. It's rather obvious when you also see true holes next to 'filmed' holes.

Lastly, something will work for a subset of grids in a box, but later on, grids from the same box (even the same SIDE of the box) don't get cleaned using the same protocol.

All I can conclude is that whatever this plastic is, we should get Quantifoil to stop using it because nothing seems to dissolve it and it's probably killing the planet somehow. If not, it's certainly detrimental to my mental health. Or better yet, Quantifoil should do the research and either clean them better themselves or at least give us a protocol to do so in the lab.

Any tips, tricks, or surefire ways to clean grids would be great. And please publish it because nothing pops up on Pubmed when I search for it.

Thanks,
Cindi L. Schwartz


Electron Microscopist
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